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Why god doesnt exist
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Meowth	Feb 17 2009, 08:46 AM Post #106
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Temphis Feb 17 2009, 01:44 AM I feel the best way to find out about god is to test him. not by throwing yourself in harms way or somthing crazy like that, but by doing what he asks us to do through scripture and inspired individuals in order to see if he will fulfill his promises. That's a very, bad way of testing, infact I've never heard an approch of testing that involved going on with whatever was set out before you. It's like a way of just accepting that it may or may not be right, why waste your life living by what is said to be the words of a god because from what I understand, you will never actually know until you are dead and by that point, it's a bit late to call an end to a test.



Temphis	Feb 17 2009, 12:52 PM Post #107
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	Princess Kyonko Feb 17 2009, 08:46 AM Temphis Feb 17 2009, 01:44 AM I feel the best way to find out about god is to test him. not by throwing yourself in harms way or somthing crazy like that, but by doing what he asks us to do through scripture and inspired individuals in order to see if he will fulfill his promises. That's a very, bad way of testing, infact I've never heard an approch of testing that involved going on with whatever was set out before you. It's like a way of just accepting that it may or may not be right, why waste your life living by what is said to be the words of a god because from what I understand, you will never actually know until you are dead and by that point, it's a bit late to call an end to a test. lol wait, what? I'm sorry, but I don't know what you believe to be a Good approach, or a test for that matter. why, do you have a better idea? (please don't try to insult me be saying you can't test someones theory of cause and effect.) I don't think you were thinking when you said that, so I'm gonna just move on, cause it made no sense. anyway, thats the only way we can ever really know if their is a god, unless he were to pop up in front of us in a undiniable manner, which in certain cases, according to scripture and the accounts of some other people through out the world, he has appeared to. this is because our knowledge of what we perceive to be true is based on personal experience, so it makes perfect sense to me that you would need to experience somthing in order to know it's true. despite this, it's still not going to make you do what he asks. all I've been trying to say is, if god is real he would be perfect, and there would be a sound explanation for everything, and it would be a wonderful world we live in, despite the bad things that happen, and that he would love us, and we should love him. with that understanding, people would want to keep his commandments, and repent when they break them. it's not a waste of time if it's true. if it's true it's more important than any of us can comprehend at this point. I'm not trying to insult any of you who are arguing against me, but it would seem you've never probably read the bible to try and understand it. if you havn't, it's hard to make points of why it's a waste of time, or if it's not important. all in all, if any of what I'm suggesting is true, than life is wonderful, it has a purpose and so do we. I've learned from this forum, as I try to learn from most things, but I've also heard all of these points before, and provided the same invitations to the people who make these points, so that if they are interested, they can find out for themselves and resolve their own concern, since I know I can't prove anything. now I'm curious, why do you feel like it would be a wast of your life to find out if it has a purpose? what knowledge would you gain that isn't infinately more important than all that you have or will ever obtain in this life? all that I've said is an invitation to take action, actions that carry specific promised consiquences that will act as evidence as to weather or not any of this is true, I don't see anyone else providing any sort of answer on how I can determine the truth for myself, in fact they don't even try to persuade me to believe the same thing they do, probably because they don't see a point in believing what they do, so I think you have a very bad way of rebutling my statements, since they provide no tangable way of determining an answer. Edited by Temphis, Feb 17 2009, 01:11 PM.



Meowth	Feb 17 2009, 02:20 PM Post #108
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Temphis Feb 17 2009, 12:52 PM lol wait, what? I'm sorry, but I don't know what you believe to be a Good approach, or a test for that matter. why, do you have a better idea? (please don't try to insult me be saying you can't test someones theory of cause and effect.) I don't think you were thinking when you said that, so I'm gonna just move on, cause it made no sense. So you don't want me to insult you however you seem to be keen to insult me because I find the idea of a "wait and see" approch a bad one? So by not agreeing with your view, I suddenly wasn't thinking? I find that insulting. A good approch is not one where you just wait around and do everything written expecting an answer, it's a waste and achives nothing, maybe an increased sense of worth and meaning but productivly, nothing. Quote: anyway, thats the only way we can ever really know if their is a god, unless he were to pop up in front of us in a undiniable manner, which in certain cases, according to scripture and the accounts of some other people through out the world, he has appeared to. The thing about people is, they are stupid, everything that has been written in the past could have been written just from some odd light they saw or voices they heard. If you go back before modern medicen, mental health illnesses wheren't really known, so for all we know, one of these 'prophets' probably just heard voices and wrote it down, thinking it was a 'god'. I know that's a pretty terrible theory, but there's the possiblility there among other things. If you where a god and saw people worshiping you in versious diffrent ways, wouldn't you try to tell them the truth rather than letting them go on fighting over who is right? That being if god is even good. Surly just watching your creation fight over who is right isn't a good thing, infact it's quite crule. It's like telling a kid who's never seen their father to find him out of five choices and they get to spend 1 day with each of them. Quote: all I've been trying to say is, if god is real he would be perfect What if god is a she? or nither? or both? Why does god have to be male? Quote: people would want to keep his commandments, and repent when they break them. Yeah, just like those people who brake the law and go to jail, they never want to reoffend again. Quote: I'm not trying to insult any of you who are arguing against me, but it would seem you've never probably read the bible to try and understand it. if you havn't, it's hard to make points of why it's a waste of time, or if it's not important. Are you implying that the bible is the only true religious text in existance and that all other religions are false? Why would I want to read the bible or understand it? It's open to interpritation by anyone to be bent however they wish, as it has been because people want power and they can/could exploit the writtings of the bible to get it. Quote: if any of what I'm suggesting is true, than life is wonderful, it has a purpose and so do we. I don't see what's so bad in not having a purpose, why does life have to have a purpose, life is what you make of it and how you as an individual interprate it. Personally, I don't agree that it's wonderful, there are so many flaws, more than the things that make up for it. Quote: they can find out for themselves and resolve their own concern, since I know I can't prove anything. I don't have a concern, how can I resolve it. Quote: now I'm curious, why do you feel like it would be a wast of your life to find out if it has a purpose? Why wouldn't it be a waste? I've got better things to worry about than my own personal purpose on this planet. The way I see it, life doesn't have a purpose, people don't have a purpose, it's all here because it is, there doesn't have to be a reason. Thinking about reasons for life is an endless loop of endless possibilities because you could argue that life is nothing more than a little kids play toy who is the little kids play toy of a little kids play toy etc infinatly, you've probably heard that one. Quote: what knowledge would you gain that isn't infinately more important than all that you have or will ever obtain in this life? I couldn't care less about the knowladge of a greater being, if there is one, big deal, if there isn't one, nevermind. The purpose of life also isn't important to me, I really don't care. Quote: I don't see anyone else providing any sort of answer on how I can determine the truth for myself, in fact they don't even try to persuade me to believe the same thing they do, probably because they don't see a point in believing what they do Life is what you make of it, the turth is down to what you think, no one can be sure if they are right or wrong. As for trying to pursuade you, no one is going to try to do that because forcing a belife on someone else is wrong and isn't really the right way to debate, it's not to say that they don't see a point in believing what they do, it's just that they respect others belifes, well some people anyway. You are free to believe what you want to believe, it's your choice. Quote: so I think you have a very bad way of rebutling my statements, since they provide no tangable way of determining an answer. I'm not trying to provide an answer or rebutle you statements, what I'm really trying to say is, I don't give a toss either way.



~~Haze55~~	Feb 18 2009, 12:48 AM Post #109
~Out on the Tiles~ Posts: 921 Group: Suspended Member #1,787 Joined: October 5, 2006	Hurdy Feb 16 2009, 05:46 AM Haze55 Feb 12 2009, 08:43 PM HaCkHa Feb 12 2009, 07:27 AM he's genderless Oh is he now? At least that's what I heard from a Catholic anyway >_> So you're trying to tell me god doesn't have a penis? Damn, I always thought he would have a huge throbbing schlong. But that's just me, and my crazy thoughts.



Temphis	Feb 18 2009, 03:51 AM Post #110
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	hmm. I'm sorry if I came off as trying to insult you after feeling like you were insulting me. it's really hard to properly convay the way I meant to state somthing when it's just text. either way I shouldn't have responded that way, sorry. I could reply to some of the statements above, but I don't think I can without each one getting a response like the ones you just gave, and I see you have no interest in knowing if god exists anyway, which would make it utterly pointless for our conversations to continue like that, especially since I don't want you to harbor any negative vibes about me, I rather like all of us being friendly. that being said, I'm not mad or anything, I was a little frustrated back when you told me my approach was bad, mostly cause you didn't say why until after I made my statement, but I didn't react properly, I don't have any bad feelings toward you either way though, so we can hopefully forget about that lol. I would like to say though, my purpose in most of what I said was to persuade others to take action if they want to find out it's true. I don't expect anyone to listen or do anything if they don't care to know if it's true. I don't know how clearly I stated this, but I wanted to make clear that god will not answer prayers if we have no desire to get closer to him, so unless you felt like learning more about god or what life is about by taking action, I don't know if I'd even bother replying to my statements (not including questions I've asked, since those arn't statements, thanks for your replies BTW), since they are invitations to do stuff that you have no interest in (just sayin). (I use "He"-to answer your previous question- because he is refered to as the Eternal "Father" of our souls, also because his authority is only extended to males for running the church and doing ordinances and stuff, he would have to be male in order to hold his own priesthood given those requirements, but this is all going off of the Bible version of a supreme being. I won't use alot of the same termonaligies I've been using when talking about other diety, but I don't believe other diety exist in this universe, but anyway.) I don't really have anything else to say. other people can ask questions and stuff, and I'll provide my views, and why I feel the way I do. thats really the only reason I started posting on here in the first place, also the topics title is a little intimidating to christians. I could say, like in world of warcraft, this topic "AGROWED" me. I don't know if I spelt that right...whatever, this topic is pretty much pointless until people post another good question to be discussed. also, if anyone feels like a belief is benificial to our well being, than by all means, try to persuade us to believe the same thing (by invitation of course), share your joy. Edited by Temphis, Feb 18 2009, 03:52 AM.



Rockman	Feb 18 2009, 03:55 AM Post #111
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	I can't tell if you answered or read my previous post Temphis... There's no proper way to spell agroed, it just is. Maybe you shouldn't be running around in level 30 territory when your level 5. Edited by Rockman, Feb 18 2009, 03:56 AM.
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Temphis	Feb 19 2009, 02:13 AM Post #112
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	lol "youw pwobabwy wight" -Homestar Runner Edited by Temphis, Feb 19 2009, 02:14 AM.



* -Zero-	Feb 20 2009, 12:46 AM Post #113
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~~Haze55~~	Feb 20 2009, 03:16 AM Post #114
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Temphis	Feb 20 2009, 03:21 AM Post #115
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Meowth	Feb 20 2009, 12:15 PM Post #116
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